tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post1148330367944313406..comments2024-03-23T07:33:30.972+00:00Comments on Quodlibeta: How bad were the Mongols ?Jameshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01594220073836613367noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-88699997127788557992020-03-31T22:23:00.867+01:002020-03-31T22:23:00.867+01:00The mongols army itself moved like a small city. D...The mongols army itself moved like a small city. Do you know that one mongol horse archer had 20 spare horses for himself alone? Imagine how many men they carried along the way. Killing 200000 habitants in one go was very plausible if you think about. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-18893768211380105222018-05-22T17:17:19.219+01:002018-05-22T17:17:19.219+01:00What are the three major reasons that make people ...What are the three major reasons that make people refer to the Mongols as "BARNARIC".Sydney whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602581380598019028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-49862428934210816612017-06-14T06:54:10.215+01:002017-06-14T06:54:10.215+01:00No group has a monopoly on psychopathy.No group has a monopoly on psychopathy.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13170898492224862385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-21794013085968622182016-04-12T20:02:08.478+01:002016-04-12T20:02:08.478+01:00Regardless of opinions here about the mongols and ...Regardless of opinions here about the mongols and their merits, they were hugely influential and it is unlikely that Europe would have had its renaissance without the Mongolian Empire as the encouragement of trade and the exchange of information altered the relationship between Europe and the Islamic world. The interconnectedness of the different sections of Chinggis' descendants meant that the flow of good, people and ideas was not confined by sectarianism. And the peace and order that characterised the period would have made it a time of plenty, dynamism and opportunity. All of history is characterised by mass suffering, cruelty and perceived barbarism. Our own time will be interpreted in similar ways should the future offer humanity the chance to have the conditions within which people can make suppositions and judgments, informed and not, on the truths and facts of the time.<br />Savagehenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12534151114793260891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-70271018547957838452016-02-26T20:03:55.353+00:002016-02-26T20:03:55.353+00:00It seems that a lot of people posting comments sti...It seems that a lot of people posting comments still have big misunderstanding of what we know, and what we don't know about the Genghis Khan and the Mongols. First and foremost, the Mongolian way of life was hard and brutal. They felt the civilized world to be weak and pathetic and conversely, any civilized person would be appalled at the lifestyle the Mongols lived on the steppe. As they had zero respect for civilized life, it would not surprise me if they killed 10's of millions by execution alone. Khan used the decimal system to organize his army and every mongol in his army would be responsible for managing 10 prisoners/slaves. This means an army of 100,000 would actually be a work force of 1 million. I've not read accounts of the Mongols using captured people to perform executions but it would not surprise me if they did. I did read one anecdote of a mongol warrior who was about to execute his allotment of prisoners when he realized he didn't have his axe with him. He ordered the condemned not to move and the people were so afraid, they just sat and waited for him to come back and execute them all. <br /><br />While Khan was a cold and ruthless leader, there is an argument for his fairness and grandeur. Cities that surrendered immediately were spared (most of the time). Cities that did not, suffered terrible inhuman consequences. Militarily Khan did not want to leave potential enemies behind, I suppose similar to recent occasions where civilized armies, "take no prisoners". The savagery of his army also sent fear into the hearts of his enemy and likely led to many cities surrendering with minimal blood shed. It was pure fear of punishment that allowed Khan to manage the previously lawless Asia and open trade with the West. While the Mongols brought order to the Steppe, we should also remember that China and the Islamic world were not lawless frontiers but civilized societies. So the Horde brought them nothing but death and destruction. To this day, people in China and the Middle East lump Khan into the category of Evil rulers with the likes of Hitler and Stalin. Justin Thinkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15208444078431483788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-37879378017381328782015-11-13T21:42:57.524+00:002015-11-13T21:42:57.524+00:00The Mongols were just people trying to make a livi...The Mongols were just people trying to make a living, but who had a different lifestyle than cultures. This posed the need to get resources from other means than, settling down and growing crops, or creating tools and artwork, or manufacturing money. So, they were forced to take it from others in order to survive. But those cultures that lost resources to the mongols, wrote pieces of writing depicting them as mean;evil and cruel people. So really the mongols weren't so bad, but people amplified their wrong deeds and altered the image of the mongolians. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-88775477797222034592015-10-30T19:52:41.892+00:002015-10-30T19:52:41.892+00:00In my opinion the mongols weren't bad people, ...In my opinion the mongols weren't bad people, yes they killed millions of people but they did it for more land. Killing/Hunting people was one of the only things the mongols knew how to do. They were very skilled in battle and had one of the quickest growing empires in history. The mongols weren't as bad as we believe.-.- Danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-76071717338889479962015-10-30T19:50:39.303+00:002015-10-30T19:50:39.303+00:00The mongols may have killed a lot of people, but t...The mongols may have killed a lot of people, but they did promote trade, accepted most religions,and they did allow women into their politics. Not to mention as long as you surrendered the mongols wouldn't kill all of you. However I must agree that most of the things the mongols did during their massacres was over the top with the mass beheadings, tying a person's limbs to four different horses and having them take off in different direction causing a severing of the limbs in the most gruesome and painful way ever, having parties on top of bodies of royals crushing them to death, and the fact that they killed all who opposed them... but if you look over the blog it is extremely biased because to me it seems to focus on all the horrid things that came out of the mongol conquest of Asia when there was also a whole lot of good that came out of it. Not to mention saying the mongols killed 16,000,000 people doesn't seem accurate unless of course you count the black death which was ultimately caused because of the opened trade along the silk road thanks to the mongols. This is a good blog just wish it wasn't so biased because, you have to think that because the mongols were violent nomadic group they didn't really have time to write things down or keep records so most of the history of the mongols is written from the view point of the people the conquered.Zer0noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-84575282755992060862015-10-30T19:47:11.084+00:002015-10-30T19:47:11.084+00:00The Mongols were probably considered very nasty. T...The Mongols were probably considered very nasty. They did things very cruelly. They use torture tactics to hurt their enemies. They are considered very destructive. When they were given orders to go kill people in other cities,the killers were sometimes required to cut off an ear from each victim, collect the ears in sacks, and bring them to their officers to be counted for proof. Yet they still tolerated other religions and worked hard to make it safe for merchants to pass through their land.Emilie Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-46827341178806335732015-10-30T18:45:19.191+00:002015-10-30T18:45:19.191+00:00I don't think the Mongols were as bad as they ...I don't think the Mongols were as bad as they are depicted throughout history. Yes, they killed millions of people, but that is the only thing that they knew. All they wanted was to conquer more land. By doing this they spread diffusion throughout Eurasia. Alexys P.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-39385746413413792552015-10-30T14:43:47.767+00:002015-10-30T14:43:47.767+00:00The mongols are not as bad of people as we think. ...The mongols are not as bad of people as we think. They might have killed millions of people but they tolerated all religions and they had pretty chill rules and they worked hard to win battles. They spread diffusion throughout Eurasia and safely allowed merchants to pass through their land.- ClaudioAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-33051644515710372002015-10-30T14:41:46.312+00:002015-10-30T14:41:46.312+00:00I think the Mongols were good people who just want...I think the Mongols were good people who just wanted more land. I agree with most things in this paragraph especially that they were respectable by not shedding noble blood. They were a great empire that expanded quickly. They were very smart and used very skilled military tactics. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-21244424062720037132015-10-30T14:34:44.070+00:002015-10-30T14:34:44.070+00:00I don't see the Mongols as bad, terrible peopl...I don't see the Mongols as bad, terrible people, their norm was to come and conquer. Yes they killed 40,000,000 people, but that's the only thing they new to do. They did this to feel the power and control over the people they were conquering. Although the way they conquered their people is some really nasty, cruel ways, they were just following their leader.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-24343547350470875902015-10-30T14:02:30.858+00:002015-10-30T14:02:30.858+00:00The mongols were very warfare advanced, compared t...The mongols were very warfare advanced, compared to the surrounding territories, and this helped them conquer. Being in charge of such a big area can cause people to make rational decisions. They were able to kill 40,000,000 people, and their killings became the 2nd worst thing we have done to each other. The mongols rage, and killings were fueled by their leader, and the power they felt when they took control. Starting out just as expanding their land, turned into them going power hungry, and wanting it all. The mongols became greedy with what they thought they could take. So when you ask me, "how bad were the Mongols?", i would answer with this. I do not think that the Mongols killed a great amount of people for fun, I believe that they had reasons that they thought justified their sins. They did not see killing as a bad thing, they thought of it as a benefit to their peopleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-83668708379084265142015-10-30T14:02:09.472+00:002015-10-30T14:02:09.472+00:00The mongols, although cruel, were the one who form...The mongols, although cruel, were the one who formed the largest empire to this date. They were really good conquerors and horseman. They could also cause there enemies to surrender.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-59932361945255869252015-10-30T14:01:13.178+00:002015-10-30T14:01:13.178+00:00The Mongols did not just kill people because they ...The Mongols did not just kill people because they wanted to, they need crops,food,shelter, and they were nomads.Nomads are suppose to search for all of these things even if it means that to have to invade a town.Also the mongols were made up of different groups of people because they would capture town and force some of them to work for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-11106620472455757462015-10-30T14:00:45.540+00:002015-10-30T14:00:45.540+00:00The Mongols were a very prestigious and distinct g...The Mongols were a very prestigious and distinct group of people. Personally, if I were to be attacked by this group, I would surrender. Although I would lose my property and land at least I would still have the right of being alive. I agree with many of the comments above because the Mongols were truly spectacular. Aside from the gruesome attacks and massacres, they spread so far in such a short amount of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-31301018794182404682015-10-30T13:47:12.565+00:002015-10-30T13:47:12.565+00:00from what i understand the mongols were in control...from what i understand the mongols were in control of everything. they killed people lots of them just to get what they want. they were more invance in the warfare then most armies at that time. that's how they conquered more land then the romans did in a 100 years they did in 50 years. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-51257962113638575212015-05-02T22:10:26.916+01:002015-05-02T22:10:26.916+01:00Dee Moron (Hoffner), the Mongols killed Eastern Eu...Dee Moron (Hoffner), the Mongols killed Eastern Europeans, Chinese, Koreans, Indians, Middle Eastern Jews, Middle Eastern Christians and yes - the Muslims you dread. In fact, the Mongol invasions were what set back the Islamic Golden Age and caused the religious fanaticism in the centuries afterwards.<br />Ironically, the descendants of the Mongols became Muslims after their conquests. Guess you wouldn't want to incur their wrath now, eh? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-35250892299975585152015-04-27T22:11:12.123+01:002015-04-27T22:11:12.123+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13170898492224862385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-75022336350146121782015-04-11T22:28:03.403+01:002015-04-11T22:28:03.403+01:00Warfare is a fascinating subject. Despite the dubi...Warfare is a fascinating subject. Despite the dubious morality of using violence to achieve personal or political aims. It remains that conflict has been used to do just that throughout recorded history.<br /><br />Your article is very well done, a good read.Geraldhttp://www.greatmilitarybattles.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-60029369114178603002015-03-12T16:08:59.344+00:002015-03-12T16:08:59.344+00:00sup broski
sup broski<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-19996249383836781952014-11-22T12:47:24.365+00:002014-11-22T12:47:24.365+00:00Apart from how many people they killed, what sadde...Apart from how many people they killed, what saddens me is how many books they burnt. They destroyed thousands of books, scientific and history etc. Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-51028987659184969672014-10-22T17:23:35.952+01:002014-10-22T17:23:35.952+01:00The large mass of people the Mongols killed even t...The large mass of people the Mongols killed even the amount of over 100 people per soldier is possible. The Mongols as we know were advanced in the military capabilities quite a bit compared to others in this area. Their techniques utilized horseback warfare by having the stirrup and their renowned horsemanship. By surrounding the enemy in a circle and killing everything inside while slowly pushing closer together was a method they practice in hunting their food as well. Even if the people in these areas that they conquered surrendered as soon as they knew the Mongols were there they were not guaranteed survival by any means. We also have to think that for these people to surrender instantly the Mongols must have been known for their slaughtering of entire villages. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074683.post-63703181819347707702014-10-22T17:17:22.773+01:002014-10-22T17:17:22.773+01:00It is believable that the Mongols would be able to...It is believable that the Mongols would be able to kill so many people because of their military advancements that gave them advantages. The Mongols were able to kill so many people because of the stirrups on their saddles that allowed them to shoot other warriors with their bows and arrows without having to stop moving or having to be on the ground. Therefore, it is credible that each Mongol soldier would be able to kill so many of his opponents because of the advantage he had over his enemies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com